Allen Nance

Georgia Tech Hackathon

Georgia Tech Hackathon scheduled for September 19th, 20th, and 21st (2014) in Atlanta, Georgia.  This will be an amazing collection of hackers from around the country and they will descend upon the Georgia Tech campus and take over the Klaus Advanced Computing Building to create, build, hack, rebuild, rehack, get motivated, and most importantly have a ton of fun.  Oh and win big ass prizes! BOOM.

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I am very excited about this event and happy to throw my full support behind it.  As I have shared in earlier posts regarding my involvement in TechSquare Labs, focusing on technical founders and helping them create something from nothing – is the goal.  Over the last five months through TechSquare Labs I have had the opportunity to build relationships with many technical founders, and specifically spend time with many of the Georgia Tech students building amazing technologies.

This is a student lead event, but will need the full support of the Georgia Tech and Atlanta technology communities.  There are several ways that you can get involved and support this event.  Here are some high level details:

Location: Georgia Tech Campus, specifically Klaus Advanced Computing Building

When: September 19th, 20th, and 21st 2014

Size: Big, we are expecting nearly 1,000 student hackers from around the country

Website: www.hackgt.com

Twitter: TheHackGT

This will be an amazing opportunity to show off the Georgia Tech talent, campus, and the momentum in the broader Atlanta technology eco-system.  A couple of interesting facts before I make the big “sales pitch”, the event is being organized by students, lead by students, and they are really talented (and cool).  These are the same students that hacked the Yo App, and many of them have traveled as TechSquare Labs (Sponsored) Hackers to other hackathons and cleaned up on the awards stage.

Of course we owe Chris Klaus a special thank you, this event will make him proud, and be a wonderful reflection of his desire to help support technical founders and student entrepreneurship.  The university (Georgia Tech) is being incredibly supportive from staff leaders to professors – thank you.  We already have a group of fantastic sponsors – thank you, thank you – (BUT), here we go, you ready?  We need your support!  Send an email to info@techsquare.co and sponsor this event, we need your help.  Guess what, if you don’t email in, I will be emailing you, count on it…

The Guide to the Atlanta Startup Scene

The Guide to the Atlanta Startup Scene.  Have you seen it yet?  Get real, yes you have and so has 8,000+ other people.  Like pound for pound king Floyd Money Mayweather says, “hate it or love it, you going to respect it”.  Of course he is talking about his boxing skills, and what I am referring to is Paul Judge’s article and guide that was published in Pando Daily.  So, what do I have to add as commentary beyond the guide itself, wait just a second, you must be asking, why did Allen wait to post his blog about it?

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Have you ever had that moment when you realize your place in the world, you know, your energy sphere in the cosmos!  Well, I know mine.  Here is how things work in Atlanta, almost as predictable as real estate brokers without socks, hot ass weather in August, or roads named Peachtree:

1.  Paul Judge (or several other technology community leaders) thinks big and does something.

2.  A Twitter war breaks out, some people love it, some people hate it, and very few people just respect it.

3.  I laugh, I always laugh, you know the statement, “are you laughing at me or with me?” I am laughing at you.

4.  David Cummings blogs about it and adds to it, I love that he always adds.

5.  Then I blog about it.

So what did I take from The Guide, the 8,000+ views, the Twitter comments, and the general vibe?

First things first, The Guide.  Awesome work.  Paul Judge is talented, plain and simple.  His work quality and mental olympics are impressive, I have been in the Atlanta Startup Scene and technology ecosystem for more than ten years and I learned at least 5 new things by reviewing the guide.  I had the privilege of watching it evolve over a week of research and learned something new with each new draft.  Next, the 8,000+ views!  The content was great, but also, Paul’s creditability in Atlanta and outside of Atlanta is an asset for the entire ecosystem.  The twitter comments.  Well, no comment.

So, how about the general vibe?  It was mostly positive, interested, and encouraging.  As the day went on and emails came in, I was proud to be part of the Atlanta community.  Paul did us all proud.  Then as always, just when I’m about to stop paying attention, the best thing happens, you know, those special moments, the learning opportunities, the “diamonds in the rough”.  Paul ended his day with a perfect tweet, “Someone asked me if I ever did a bootstrapped company. I am a bootstrapped company.”  

Why did I love this tweet so much?  It summarized for me The Guide, the 8,000+ views, the Twitter comments, and the entire Atlanta scene in 15 words.  He nailed it.  I have the privilege of working with Paul, but it surprises me how few people know his background, his vision, and his points of view.  He is a bootstrapped company.  I loved part of the guide, I hated part of the guide, but I respected it all, and say thank you.

Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less

Essentialism, the disciplined pursuit of less.  If you ever want me to read something you write, just use a word that I haven’t seen (make one up if you have to) and you’ve got me.  I need a shirt that says, “You had me at, What?” Hold on, if someone prints that shirt and wears it to breakfast I promise to pay.  This particular “book” and article grabbed my attention on LinkedIN.  The heading was perfect, “why we humblebrag about being busy?”.  Yesterday morning I had this exact conversation with someone about this topic.

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I quickly read the article and book, it is fantastic.  I think you know, I don’t do book reviews, or say go buy this, but “go buy this book”.  You will thank me later. You can see the LinkedIN article by clicking here:  We have a problem—and the odd thing is we not only know about it, we’re celebrating it. 

Why are typically rational people so irrational in their behavior? The answer, I believe, is that we’re in the midst of a bubble; one so vast that to be alive today in the developed world is to be affected, or infected, by it. It’s the bubble of bubbles: it not only mirrors the previous bubbles (whether of the Tulip, Silicon Valley or Real Estate variety), it undergirds them all. I call it “The More Bubble.”

Are we in a “More Bubble”?  This article and book really got me thinking.  You can also frame it into the question many people ask, “how much is enough?”.  In this article Greg McKeown points to the wide adoption of smart phones, social media, and extreme commercialism as the root causes of the More Bubble.  I don’t know what he is talking about!  Of course I am kidding.  I instantly had this picture of someone “buying a bunch of shit they saw on social media using their smart phone”.

I have been working very hard on getting rid of the “extra” in my life (it is hard).  All the extra nonproductive work, distractions, and time sucks.  We all have them, there are days I feel like I have more than anyone on the planet (don’t judge me, you have thought the same thing at least once this week).  I took a quick audit of his specific actionable ideas: Schedule a Personal Quarterly Offsite, Rest Well to Succeed, Add Expiration Dates on New Activities, Say No to a Good Opportunity Every Week.

I scored pretty well on this list.  I’m a planner (at least at a high level, I do struggle with details, but at 50,000 feet I always know the 2-3 most important goals), my sleep patterns vary (sure there are times I don’t sleep) but I am always watching it, I am getting better at moving on from new experiences (can you say surfing – it is clearly the new activity) but I really struggle saying “no”.  Saying no to a good opportunity each week – honestly – I am not sure I say no to one bad opportunity each week.  My big take away from the book and article is to tie these four actions together, “have clear goals, get plenty of sleep, move on from new activities when I start a new one, and say no more often”.  Thank You, Greg!  We haven’t met yet, but in my mind we are on a first name basis.

TechSquare Labs : What Have I Learned

TechSquare Labs : What have I learned?  So, it’s been about 2 1/2 months since the announcement (here are some clicks for Urvaksh) that I would be organizing all my early stage investing and company building activities into a new partnership with The Doctor.  Yesterday David Cummings asked me to share what I have learned so far from TechSquare Labs.  It has certainly been an interesting process, I had to stop and really organize my 1000 thoughts on the topic and attempt to communicate them in an efficient manner, so here we go.

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TechSquare Labs : What Have I Learned?

Having a Partner is Simple

Get real.  No it isn’t.  It is hard as hell.  Has everything been silky smooth with The Doctor and I (of course not), and I am comfortable enough in our partnership to say that.  It is hard.  We both have individual work styles, we both have strong opinions, we both have 1000 ideas, and most importantly we both have specific experiences the other doesn’t – which informs our points of view.  Is it going to work, yes.  100%.  Relationships are hard, you have to be committed to working at it (I know it sounds like we are dating, we kinda are).  What I have learned is that our skills do compliment one another: I am technical, he is (way) more technical.  I am a salesman, so is he, but his marketing/branding skills are impressive.  I have no filter on my mouth, he is precise with every word.  I will command a meeting, but, he will say the 4 most important things.  Our networks actually don’t overlap much, which is awesome, it is like our networks doubled.  I went to Georgia Tech, he is Georgia Tech royalty.

No One is Working on Marketing Automation 

Again, get real.  Between CRM, Email Marketing, Social Media, and a few things disguised behind a new acronym that is actually integrated email marketing from a CRM that leverages social media – there is a large group of entrepreneurs that are chasing the marketing automation space.  I am not saying that anything is wrong with that, I knew we had a Marketing Technology Cluster; however I just didn’t realize how similar all the ideas were.  We have seen at least 10 ideas that should merge together and really chase a bigger idea.

People will Self Select based on Criteria 

I can’t stop laughing at this one.  No one seems to read bios, backgrounds, LinkedIN, websites, etc.  I actually put in a previous post “I am thrilled that people are interested, I would simply ask that  you not try to make TechSquare Labs what you want it to be to fit your idea that you are working on, well, I guess you can, but it won’t work.”   We have met with a bunch of amazing hackers, coders, and developers, really impressive, we have also realized that we need to be more specific around this requirement because people will not self select out – they will still want to meet if they are not developers – which I do truly understand – but we are focused on finding technical builders.  Could we change this in the future, of course, we are entrepreneurs, but not right now.

Technical Founders are Focused 

I have been amazed at the talent in Atlanta, and specifically the technical builders in and around Georgia Tech (Technology Square) – both students and the broader eco-system.  What I wasn’t prepared for was the fluidity of ideas and products because the talent is so technical.  What do I mean?  Many of these technical founders have 5+ ideas, maybe even 10+.  It is fun to see, and a huge learning opportunity, but I’ve realized that helping these founders focus might be the most valuable insight (help) that TechSquare Labs can provide.

No One Cares about Real Estate 

Holy CRE Broker.  Yes, we need space for our companies to live, work, and play, but I promise it is not the single most important element of building an awesome new business, it just isn’t.  I actually started laughing out loud (yes, out loud) when the twitter war broke out over start up spaces in Atlanta.  What a waste of time.  Whoever wants to open some space, open some space, leave them alone, use it or don’t use it, start in your apartment, start on a street corner, just focus on building a business, deliver value to paying customers, and creating jobs, the rest will be awesome – promise.

Final Important Lessons (so far)

Atlanta absolutely has technical talent, mind blowing technical talent.  Atlanta will continue to build billion dollar + companies (current rate is one per decade), and there are specific things we can do to increase the speed at which we build them (I will blog about this soon and share some thoughts).  Picking the right ideas to work on is not simple, it is really hard, however focusing on big problems and emerging spaces makes it manageable.

TechSquare Labs will continue to help technical founders create something from nothing, and I’ve learned that helping them focus their ideas (and by focus I don’t mean make smaller) is the biggest opportunity to help.  These are just a few early thoughts, I will continue to share and organize specific actionable lessons over the next year.

Tech Square Entrepreneurs : Facebook Group

Tech Square Entrepreneurs is an open community group for startups, entrepreneurs, founders, and investors that have a passion for Atlanta, Georgia Tech and Tech Square. Consider this a community venue to share startup news, startup jobs, community events and anything else useful to the startup and Tech Square community.

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Have you joined the group yet? Click Here.

Technology Square

The name Tech Square is inspired by the area known as Georgia Tech’s Technology Square, a mixed-use development in midtown Atlanta that houses over 700,000 square feet of business, educational, research and retail space. It is the epicenter of technology innovation and entrepreneurship in Atlanta and the Southeast.  This Facebook group is open to everyone who would like to participate – lets connect the 1,000s of people working in and around Tech Square so that we can better organize and leverage each other’s talents, contacts, and opportunities.

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Sky is the Limit Rebelution Lyrics

Sky is the limit – Rebelution – lyrics!  So, I’ve been listening to Rebelution a lot recently, maybe it is the whole surfing thing, who knows.  I was listening to a song recently and it hit me hard.  I started thinking, wow, how cool would it be to review lyrics on occasion and tie life lessons to them in my blog.  Why?  well, no one else is doing that, and (straight up) everyone’s blog is starting to sound the same, and I’m not going out like that.

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Here we go:

If you’re in my line, I’ll go around the side, and still bring it
Sky is the limit
So out of my way
You can’t get me down

Lesson: If it was easy, everyone would do it.  Of course someone is going to try and stop you, get real.  

There’s nothing like a clear peace of mind
To overcome the hardships in life
To sort out the wrong from the right
Someone’s in line, but they can’t get me down

Lesson: When things get hard, slow down, calm down, take a breath, don’t speed up.  

I got my own self by my side
And mentally I gotta be free
I see the wickedness coming full speed
But, I hold together like the ball needs the seam

Lesson: Be reliable to yourself first, and keep your eyes open, there are hustles everywhere.

I’m trying to do something not nothing, 
You’re trying to hold me back and that’s fine
Nothing you say or do is worth my time
Good day to you, I respectfully decline
And now I’m coming stronger than ever
You say I’m a fool
I say whatever
I’m in it for the good vibes together
And the love lasts forever

Lesson: Chase your own dreams, don’t let people stop you, if people are negative, go harder.  

8 Dimensions of Leadership

8 Dimensions of Leadership – which are you? Ping me and let me know.  Oh, my fault, your first thought was where the “f” has Allen been – no blogging?  Well, true, I haven’t been blogging.  I’ve been working like I bounced a check, and I just haven’t had the mental space and I’ve been fully committed to not blogging crap, so I’ve been saving up some thoughts and ideas to share.

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Recently I’ve been studying all the leadership assessment tools, I have been finding myself in more and more situations where I am interacting with team members that I don’t have a 10+ year relationship with.  Actually its been the exact opposite, lots of new team members, lots of new challenges and opportunities, and clearly lots of opportunities for me to be a better leader.  I’ve been looking for a standard assessment tool and framework that we could implement to help facilitate leadership development.  I took 20+ tests, some stupid, some good, but only one that was great.

Why is “8 Dimensions of Leadership” my recommended assessment and book?

- First things first, it says I am “Pioneering” – how the hell could I not pick the one that said I was “Pioneering”.

- It is a “self-assessment” tool and it is a “free”.

- There is a corresponding book that is easy to read, easy to understand, and not full of psychology gibberish.

- The feedback in the book is “actionable” and it provides clear examples.

- Best of all, the feedback focuses on your “blind spots” that you need to work on to be a better leader.

So, what did the assessment and book point me to?  It put me in the “Pioneering” group, with my opposite DiSC being “Humble”.  All the good stuff was the standard: I see opportunity everywhere, blah blah blah, but the real value came from exploring my blind spots and how they effect my ability to be a great leader.  First blind spot or opportunity to get better: more attention to process and planning.  Stop laughing.  The book basically says that I can have a meeting, draw a picture on a white board, snap a photo with my iThingy, and bingo, thats the plan!  What’s the blind spot?  LOL.  Maybe, just maybe, my team members would appreciate just a little bit more detail, process, and a clear path forward (next steps).  My second blind spot is holding people accountable.  This one was surprising, I actually thought I did that; however the more I studied it – I realized: I don’t.  I spend most if not all of my day believing that everyone does what they say they will do, and everyone will just figure out how to get something done, so why would I follow up and close the loop?  I am fully committed to being a great leader, I will continue to leverage my strengths, but I will also focus on my blind spots.

Go take the test and ping me – let me know what you are and what blind spot you are committed to seeing!

Tech Square Labs in Atlanta : Your Questions Answered

Tech Square Labs in Atlanta : Your Questions Answered? (OK, the SEO part is done, lol) I can know refer to it as TechSquare Labs.  You’ve got questions, and I hope to answer most of them, but the real answers will only come over the next decade.

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What is TechSquare Labs?

Everyone immediately wants to put it into a box, why, that is how our brains work, and honestly, that is part of the entire problem.  Stop comparing it to everything in Atlanta that you know because that is what makes you feel comfortable, there is an entire world out there.  If you need an analogy because it makes you feel more comfortable, then look at FireSpotter or BetaWorks.  TechSquare Labs is a “company-building studio”, why those words, because it is “not” about money, or a desk, or free-lunch fridays, all those things are great, I like money, I need a desk of some kind, and although I have enough experience to know there is “no, free-lunch”, I will keep sponsoring Startup Chowdown at Atlanta Tech Village (why), because its the right thing to do.  Think of TechSquare Labs simply as this “a place that is focused on fewer things, that have a core technology at the center, that believes in “technical founders” leading their companies, and we would rather fail big going big than stay in business”.

Why TechSquare Labs?

I’ve been studying the scaling of businesses for some time.  I keep asking myself, over and over, why are all the industry leading technology companies started in other cities, why not Atlanta?  Why is Atlanta the place that creates really good little(ish) businesses that other people buy?  I looked in the mirror, I looked at the businesses I’ve invested in, and I started meeting with every single person I could who had scaled a large enterprise, think “Billion Dollar + Exits” (again, please don’t list the three people in Atlanta you can think of, yes I’ve met with them, but also think outside of that).  I would ask them simply, walk me through the process, what did you do?  Bottom line, investing in general is difficult, investing in venture(ish) deals is scary, and investing in early stage deals is almost impossible.  However, every single person said the same things: “invest in core technology that is defensible, invest in brilliant people, invest in huge markets, and be ready to raise money to scale quickly and take a leadership position in the market”.  I then looked at myself, and my early stage investments and asked, how can I invest like that?

Where is TechSquare Labs and Why?

Do you seriously not know where Technology Square is?  The real question I guess is why there, I live in Buckhead, why not just roll over to Atlanta Tech Village and invest?  It is because of what I said before, my primary interest is investing to create a technology pillar, a market leader, a company that other companies build businesses around.  If the primary goal is to invest in core technology that is defensible, I just believe that is far more likely to come out of Georgia Tech than Buckhead, could it come out of Buckhead, of course, but be honest, it is simply “more” likely to be down on campus.  I love breakfast at WhiteHouse, or OK Cafe, etc, but honestly that is not what I am looking to invest in, some powerpoint (or if they are really hip, Keynote) that someone walks me through.  I know what you are thinking, that is exactly how I started my first business, but hold on, that is my entire point,  I didn’t start my business to be a big, meaningful, valuable company (that would transform an entire market).  I should have, but I didn’t.  (Let’s be clear, I love Atlanta Tech Village, every time I go over there, I tell David I would love to work there some day, but this is not about that, it is about what is it going to take to invest in, and seed a transformative technology pillar.)

What is TechSquare Labs focused on?

TechSquare Labs is focused on “Working with Technical Founders to Create Something from Nothing”.  Please take this statement literally and don’t turn it into incubator, co-working, ATDC, Atlanta Technology Village, Hypepotamus, or whatever other thing someone opens or starts.  I like all those things, places, people, etc.  Here is the wonderful thing about being an entrepreneur – go work on what you want to work on, and what you are passionate about.  I’ve become completely obsessed with how Facebook won, Twitter pivoted, Uber happened, Square wasn’t started in Atlanta, and I could keep going on and on – but these are all fairly recent (this same story has played out 2 or 3 other times over the last 50 years).  TechSquare Labs is going to work with “technical founders, developers, coders, engineers, and stone cold hackers”.  Please don’t take that as we hate your business idea if you have a powerpoint slide, there are lots of places you can take that.  We truly believe in “builders leading and building their businesses”.  If you want to meet with TechSquare Labs you’ve got to be a hacker and be ready we want “you” to build your business.

How the “f” did you get Paul to partner with you?

OK, admit it, you skipped down to this question.  I pursued Paul, I chased him like a giddy school boy.  I am not ashamed to say that.  You didn’t! That is your problem.  I studied the market, this was no accident.  I asked myself a simple question, who do I know that is “a stone cold hacker, has scaled a business, raised money, had both success and failure, and is a natural born leader” – Dr. Paul Judge.  Another interesting thing lead me to Paul, I am sitting having drinks with Adam Ghetti (yes, we drink often together), and I start asking him what he thinks.  Adam is completely honest with me, “Allen, people love you, BUT, (ok I thought, here it comes) these stone cold hackers won’t follow you, they just won’t”.  Adam and I have that kind of friendship, dude will straight drop a mic on my head.  My first reaction, are you crazy, then about two seconds later, I thought, how many truly brilliant technical founders have approached me, then I bust out laughing (not many).  Joe Reger immediately popped to mind at Springbot, but that relationship was built over a decade.  So I committed to doing two things: 1.  Teach myself to code.  2.  Find a Partner that was Technical.

More importantly, seriously, how “f” did you get the @TechSquare handle?

Are you nuts, I am not telling you.  But come on, the name is “banging” admit it!  Go follow the twitter handle, I know you can’t wait: @TechSquare.

Summary:

I have blogged about, spoken about, and complained about “going big”.  #GoBig.  Investing is not something new for Paul or I, neither is betting on great leaders, trying to help, picking up the phone and making an introduction, or sharing an idea over breakfast, none of this new.  We’ve been doing it.  This is really a more focused, deliberate, organized vehicle to do it.  I am thrilled that people are interested, I would simply ask that  you not try to make TechSquare Labs what you want it to be to fit your idea that you are working on, well, I guess you can, but it won’t work.  Lastly, if you are interested in showing something to TechSquare Labs, visit the website: www.techsquare.co, fill out the form and schedule a time (but) be ready, be a stone cold hacker, and show something!

Surfing as a Metaphor for Life

Surfing as a metaphor for life?  What do you think?  If you are expecting that perfect photo of me up on a surf board this must be the first time you have read my blog (welcome, and thank you).  For the rest of you, please find attached a photo of me completely busting, wiping out, and almost drowning.  My new obsession with surfing will serve as today’s Monday Motivation.  Don’t laugh, I had a zen(ish) experience while surfing.

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It got me thinking, is surfing a good metaphor for life?  Like life, surfing is extremely difficult.  Like life, it is frustrating, but, the water feels amazing.  Like life, there is a pecking order, don’t get mad, there is a pecking order, if you don’t realize that you need to read this blog more often.  Like life, it requires unbelievable balance.  And lastly, and most importantly, like life, the more risk you take, the greater the reward.

What I noticed about surfing:

- Just like in life and/or business, if you stay by the shore anyone can surf.

- Just like in life and/or business, everyone can see the wave that has already broken.

- Just like in life and/or business, who doesn’t want the great photo (even if it requires a little photoshopping).

- Just like in life and/or business, those that venture out into deep water gain the respect of those that went before them.

Surfing is one of the hardest things I have ever worked at learning.  Day one, was a breeze, you are by the shore (hell my feet touched the ground), I got on the board the second time I tried.  As I spent the day riding waves that had already broken, I started watching the other surfers.  What I realized was that there was an order to the waves.  Near the shore, the tourists (yes, I was one of them).  Just a bit further out, a group of people who could actually surf, but they couldn’t see a wave coming.  Then out beyond the initial curls, where the water was actually flat, the real surfers.

So day two, the instructor asks me “want to go out there”.  I knew exactly what he was asking, and what I learned is absolutely a metaphor for life.  First things first, at various times we all get asked “want to go out there”, only a few say yes.  Secondly, just paddling out to deep water is hard, you’ve got to be in good shape and have the right technique.  Thirdly, when you are in deep water, you better listen and pay attention.  Lastly, you will fall, and fall hard, but there is a catch, there is less people in deep water, those out there respect that you are trying, if you listen, and pay attention, you can succeed.  What do I think about surfing as a metaphor for life?  Just about perfection.  Sure the shore line is safer.  Paddling out into deep waters should be hard.  I love that there is less people out there.  Just like in life (or business) I love seeing the wave before it breaks.  I’m completely fine with falling, falling hard, and paddling back out.

Funny Friday: What is Culture? Really.

What is Culture? Really.  TGIF not because the weekend is here, but because I am flying home from a road trip and decided to write a Funny Friday blog post.  Its been a long week, Atlanta, Seattle, San Francisco, back to Atlanta.  Somehow I keep thinking that the West Coast is 3 hours away, it isn’t.  (this is an inside joke).  This week’s trip was both tiring and energizing (if you don’t understand that, I am sorry, I can’t explain it to you, just close your browser).

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I keep hearing, “Your workplace is your ecosystem, if you get the culture right, everything else falls into place”. 

- Make sure your team members wear headphones (expensive ones) and don’t talk to each other.

- Interrupt people and ask them about “washing machines”.

- Get bean-bag chairs, ping pong tables, and in-house massages.

- Pay people to quit.  $10 Starbucks gift cards seems a bit much.

- Challenge assumptions and think about deeper goals.  Why do we wash our clothes?

- Only hire people with humble shoes.

I had a great opportunity to meet two new team members in the WhatCounts seattle office this week, I can’t wait to ask them about their washing machines, and give them their Starbucks gift card (the good thing is the office is directly ontop of a Starbucks).  I can confirm they both had on humble shoes, they did into the club, and I am a bouncer.

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